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LockerLoad · Dec 12, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

There's no tu quoque fallacy in the post you linked.

My cyclone axe + zealots fire example refers to the good old days when cyclone axe targeted self and zealots fire could be triggered in that manner for pbaoe fire damage(no energy cost aside from the initial cast either) Comparatively triple chop is a poor cousin.

As for absorption, no one uses it anymore because it's been nerfed all to hell. Absorption now only affects physical damage. Absorption was most effective with high(I mean really high) AL as it prevented ANY damage. Go watch an old griffin farming video to see the swarm of -0 dmg

Warriors used to have it all.

Full Metal X · Dec 12, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

There's no tu quoque fallacy in the post you linked.

My cyclone axe + zealots fire example refers to the good old days when cyclone axe targeted self and zealots fire could be triggered in that manner for pbaoe fire damage(no energy cost aside from the initial cast either) Comparatively triple chop is a poor cousin.

As for absorption, no one uses it anymore because it's been nerfed all to hell. Absorption now only affects physical damage. Absorption was most effective with high(I mean really high) AL as it prevented ANY damage. Go watch an old griffin farming video to see the swarm of -0 dmg

Warriors used to have it all.

So they went from useless tanks to wtfpwned damage dealers, and you have a problem with it. Also I'm amazed that you have played GW for over 2 years and are still so bad and stuborn.

Magikarp · Dec 12, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

As I said it's a highly subjective term but using your example I'd say 1v1 mes pwn face. Against groups Eles pwn face. Rock paper scissors...

you failed a long time ago in this thread, but this is utter megafailmax.

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So they went from useless tanks to wtfpwned damage dealers, and you have a problem with it. Also I'm amazed that you have played GW for over 2 years and are still so bad and stuborn.

amen.

if you dont understand why warriors, or how warriors "pwn face", maybe 2 years of playing the same game over and over isnt enough for you to learn anything about it.

warriors have ALWAYS been good, never went bad, sour, or any other odd remark you made, and simply get more and more skills, to simply make the class all the better.

there is so much obvious evidence that you just like trouble. some of the best players that post on Guru have posted in this absurd thread, proved you wrong, stepped on your ego, and have stated totally true, valuble tid-bits for you to learn and grow on, yet you try to hold on to the same garbage arguments, that hold no ground.

sorry, no one gives a rats ass about cyclone+zealots fire.

blue.rellik · Dec 12, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

Like many players I'm forced to pug or hench as my guild isn't very active.

Because heroes and henchmen do not exist at all. They are extinct

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

There's no tu quoque fallacy in the post you linked.

My cyclone axe + zealots fire example refers to the good old days when cyclone axe targeted self and zealots fire could be triggered in that manner for pbaoe fire damage(no energy cost aside from the initial cast either) Comparatively triple chop is a poor cousin.

What does that have to do with warrior's not being able to kill? In the days of AoE fleeing, cyclone + zealots is a terrible idea. Another reason why Warriors are better than before.

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As for absorption, no one uses it anymore because it's been nerfed all to hell. Absorption now only affects physical damage. Absorption was most effective with high(I mean really high) AL as it prevented ANY damage. Go watch an old griffin farming video to see the swarm of -0 dmg

You're using farming as an example?

LightningHell · Dec 12, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

There's no tu quoque fallacy in the post you linked.

Your post was as ad hominem tu quoque as much as this was ad hominem ad personam:

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Originally Posted by Savio

Having high armor doesn't mean warriors are used for defense. It means they last longer when they're up front raging faces. Stop being stupid.

It merely means that apart from carrying a counterstatement, he's also flaming you. The two are seperate.

Anyway, your post:

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

Yum straight out states that Evisc + Exe = any 4 attack sin combo

Feel free to disregard that statement as blatantly misleading rhetoric. It makes little more sense than

But if you've been reading the blatant contradictions posted by the warrior fanboys here regarding armor/absorption nerfs etc. this sort of thing shouldn't come as a surprise

In order for the post to make any coherent sense, one has to assume that you're attacking the poster's viewpoint by being a "warrior fanboy". Otherwise, the post has no point.

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My cyclone axe + zealots fire example refers to the good old days when cyclone axe targeted self and zealots fire could be triggered in that manner for pbaoe fire damage(no energy cost aside from the initial cast either) Comparatively triple chop is a poor cousin.

As for absorption, no one uses it anymore because it's been nerfed all to hell. Absorption now only affects physical damage. Absorption was most effective with high(I mean really high) AL as it prevented ANY damage. Go watch an old griffin farming video to see the swarm of -0 dmg

...I quote the above.

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

You're using farming as an example?

glountz · Dec 12, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

Yum straight out states that Evisc + Exe = any 4 attack sin combo

Feel free to disregard that statement as blatantly misleading rhetoric. It makes little more sense than

But if you've been reading the blatant contradictions posted by the warrior fanboys here regarding armor/absorption nerfs etc. this sort of thing shouldn't come as a surprise

In fact I agree withYYum this combo pretty well deadly, especially with conjure. Its raw damage is exceptionnal. Sins combos load too much conditions on the target, which is, IMHO, just a way to give a RC super-heal.
Fact is that I consider the warrior to be overpowered. But, because it becomes a really dreadful tool only between skilled hands, people don't consider it like this. The simple fact you have to bring this amount of block and blind just for them is appealing. The only other prof I find that imba is the paragon.

LightningHell · Dec 12, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by glountz

Fact is that I consider the warrior to be overpowered. But, because it becomes a really dreadful tool only between skilled hands, people don't consider it like this. The simple fact you have to bring this amount of block and blind just for them is appealing. The only other prof I find that imba is the paragon.

Melee is generally bound by the constraints of melee - it is the easiest offense to disrupt in the game.

Of course, in PvE it may be "overpowered" as in it overshadows other options.

But I disagree with the Assassin part. Assassins can kill targets near full health, which is 400-500, DW inclusive.

yum · Dec 12, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Melee is generally bound by the constraints of melee - it is the easiest offense to disrupt in the game.

Of course, in PvE it may be "overpowered" as in it overshadows other options.

But I disagree with the Assassin part. Assassins can kill targets near full health, which is 400-500, DW inclusive.

But that is not possible with 4 skill slots now. They have to take more just to do a job that warriors can do in just 2.

Made In Ascalon · Dec 12, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Infernii

This is a Strength/Hammer build.
It has Strength on 13, Hammer on 13.

Skills:
Backbreaker
Belly Smash
Mighty Blow
Overbearing Smash
forgot, tis from the top o'me head
Signet of healing
Defy Pain
Signet of Resurrection

OP is pretty bad.

Defy Pain is a wasted elite. Belly Smash is useless. Overbearing Smash is a waste because there's no source for weakness. 13 strength is useless. Signet of Healing is useless because it has no points put in tactics.

OP's argument that warriors are dying because he is dying is, therefore, wrong, because not all warriors are so bad.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 12, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by ME

Look, people.
It's fairly plain to see that LockerLoad is completely clueless, and cannot be argued with (remember Ensign's sig, people!

).

Ahem.
Thread close, imo.

LockerLoad is a fool (not an 'ad hominem' attack or whatever that silly term is you constantly use to try and redeem yourself, merely a statement of fact)and cannot be argued with, despite the fact that he is clearly wrong. This thread is going nowhere. I feel sorry for Savio and LightningHell and all the other people with a clue who keep repeating themselves...

Going nowhere.
Apart from towards a kitty fest.
Oh yes.
I said it.

bungusmaximus · Dec 12, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

The thread title only is blasphemy, the stuff in the thread is even worse. Why do these 'warriors suck' threads always pop up? too many baed warriors around I tell ya.

When alex starts flashing kittens you know how late it is

.

Meow...

Stormlord Alex · Dec 12, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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When alex starts flashing kittens you know how late it is

.

Meow...

I should've started it at around... post 56?
That would've saved a lot of hassle...

Ahem! *que Legend of Zelda music*

EDIT: Dammit, ytmnd beat me to it

LightningHell · Dec 12, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by yum

But that is not possible with 4 skill slots now. They have to take more just to do a job that warriors can do in just 2.

A warrior spike generally goes for 260-ish. Any respectable sin spike goes over 400, however many skill slots it takes.

To LockerLoad: Although you dismiss most attacks to you as "ad hominem", they are mostly just statements accompanied with flames, which are certainly not ad hominem and certainly provide a point for argument, even if they are a bit inflammatory.

Avarre · Dec 12, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Close.

Thread.

Now.

Yanman.be · Dec 12, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

BlackSephir · Dec 12, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

:<

LockerLoad · Dec 12, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Thanks for all the nice kitty pics Alex, I love kittens!

Along with personal attacks kitty pics are a sad substitute for logical argument but if all else fails...

Since anyone who plays a build or skill other than those enshrined by the most prolific posters on guru is obviously a bad player we shouldn't have discussion, just guides and FAQs. It'll be much more efficient than stating an original hypothesis.

Most of the people posting here seem to have the impression that I've claimed warriors are useless, best for defense or some such. If you actually read my posts you will see that I never did. My claims are valid. The warrior has reduced armor and faces more challenges to effective melee attacks.

The most honest analysis so far is magikarp who accepts my claim as valid but says no one cares.

I'm not trying to convince you diehard fanboys. I actually hoped for discussion. If the best you can offer is refutal and personal attack(what relic prefers to call flaming) then I'm sorry for you and the people you deal with on a day to day basis.

Try to get over your own egos long enough to consider a different viewpoint, It'll be a refreshing change.

Bring on the Kitties!!!

Stormlord Alex · Dec 12, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by LockerLoad

Try to get over your own egos long enough to consider a different viewpoint, It'll be a refreshing change.

Not when a viewpoint is annoying and wrong.

wetsparks · Dec 12, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

These kitties represent warriors with a good build.

This represent people who think warriors suck because they use bad builds or come across lots of people with bad builds.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 12, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

None of them did.
I'm on fluoxetine.